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==Statement==
==Statement==
===Statement with symbols===


It is possible to have a [[group]] <math>G</math> with a [[characteristic subgroup]] <math>H</math>, and a subgroup <math>K \le G</math> containing <math>H</math>, such that <math>H</math> is ''not'' characteristic as a subgroup of <math>K</math>.
It is possible to have a [[group]] <math>G</math> with a [[characteristic subgroup]] <math>H</math>, and a subgroup <math>K \le G</math> containing <math>H</math>, such that <math>H</math> is ''not'' characteristic as a subgroup of <math>K</math>.
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If <math>H \le K \le G</math> are such that <math>H</math> is normal in <math>G</math>, then <math>H</math> is normal in <math>K</math>. In particular, since [[characteristic implies normal|every characteristic subgroup is normal]], it follows that if <math>H</math> is characteristic in <math>G</math>, <math>H</math> is normal in <math>K</math>.
If <math>H \le K \le G</math> are such that <math>H</math> is normal in <math>G</math>, then <math>H</math> is normal in <math>K</math>. In particular, since [[characteristic implies normal|every characteristic subgroup is normal]], it follows that if <math>H</math> is characteristic in <math>G</math>, <math>H</math> is normal in <math>K</math>.
===Intermediately characteristic subgroup===
===Intermediately characteristic subgroup===


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===Potentially characteristic subgroup===
===Potentially characteristic subgroup===


{{further|[[Potentially characteristic subgroup]]}}
{{further|[[NPC theorem]]}}


A subgroup <math>H</math> of a group <math>K</math> is termed [[potentially characteristic subgroup|potentially characteristic]] if there exists a group <math>G</math> containing <math>K</math> such that <math>H</math> is characteristic in <math>G</math>. Clearly, every potentially characteristic subgroup is normal; on the other hand, since characteristicity does not satisfy the intermediate subgroup condition, ''not every'' potentially characteristic subgroup is characteristic. The [[NPC conjecture]] states that every normal subgroup is potentially characteristic, and the [[finite NPC theorem]] proves this for finite groups.
A subgroup <math>H</math> of a group <math>K</math> is termed [[potentially characteristic subgroup|potentially characteristic]] if there exists a group <math>G</math> containing <math>K</math> such that <math>H</math> is characteristic in <math>G</math>. Clearly, every potentially characteristic subgroup is normal; on the other hand, since characteristicity does not satisfy the intermediate subgroup condition, ''not every'' potentially characteristic subgroup is characteristic.  
 
The [[NPC theorem]] states that ''every'' normal subgroup is potentially characteristic, and the [[finite NPC theorem]] proves this in the context of finite groups.


===Subgroup in which every subgroup characteristic in the whole group is characteristic===
===Subgroup in which every subgroup characteristic in the whole group is characteristic===
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==Related facts==
==Related facts==
===Dual fact===
{{subgroup-quotient duality ad}}
The dual to this fact is that [[dual::characteristicity does not satisfy image condition]]. The duality works as follows:
{| class="sortable" border="1"
! Notion !! Dual
|-
| [[characteristic subgroup]] || [[quotient group]] by a [[characteristic subgroup]] (reframed in terms of the characteristic subgroup itself)
|-
| [[intermediate subgroup condition]] || [[image condition]]
|}
Further, if we restrict attention to examples in [[finite abelian group]]s, then an example for either can be dualized to an example for other other using the idea that [[subgroup lattice and quotient lattice of finite abelian group are isomorphic]].
===Failure to be intermediately characteristic===


* [[Center not is intermediately characteristic]]: The center of a group need not be characteristic in every intermediate subgroup. This is shown by the same example as given below.
* [[Center not is intermediately characteristic]]: The center of a group need not be characteristic in every intermediate subgroup. This is shown by the same example as given below.
* [[Commutator subgroup not is intermediately characteristic]]: The commutator subgroup of a group need not be characteristic in every intermediate subgroup. This is also shown by the same example as given below.
* [[Commutator subgroup not is intermediately characteristic]]: The commutator subgroup of a group need not be characteristic in every intermediate subgroup. This is also shown by the same example as given below.
* [[Frattini subgroup not is intermediately characteristic]]: The Frattini subgroup of a group need not be characteristic in every intermediate subgroup. This is shown by the same example as given below.
* [[Frattini subgroup not is intermediately characteristic]]: The Frattini subgroup of a group need not be characteristic in every intermediate subgroup. This is shown by the same example as given below.
* [[Every nontrivial normal subgroup is potentially characteristic-and-not-intermediately characteristic]]


==Proof==
==Proof==
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*  <math>G = \mathbb{Z}/2\mathbb{Z} \times \mathbb{Z}/4\mathbb{Z}</math>.  
*  <math>G = \mathbb{Z}/2\mathbb{Z} \times \mathbb{Z}/4\mathbb{Z}</math>.  
* <math>H</math> to be the set of squares in <math>G</math>, i.e., <math>H = \{ (0,0), (0,2) \}</math> -- <math>H = \operatorname{Agemo}^1(G)</math> (the [[agemo subgroups of a group of prime power order|first agemo subgroup]]) and is thus characteristic.
* <math>H</math> to be the set of squares in <math>G</math>, i.e., <math>H = \{ (0,0), (0,2) \}</math> -- <math>H = \mho^1(G)</math> (the [[agemo subgroups of a group of prime power order|first agemo subgroup]]) and is thus characteristic.
* <math>K</math> to be the set of elements of order dividing two in <math>G</math>, i.e., <math>K = \{ (0,0), (1,0), (0,2), (1,2) \}</math> -- <math>K = \Omega_1(G)</math> (the [[omega subgroups of a group of prime power order|first omega subgroup]]) and is thus characteristic.
* <math>K</math> to be the set of elements of order dividing two in <math>G</math>, i.e., <math>K = \{ (0,0), (1,0), (0,2), (1,2) \}</math> -- <math>K = \Omega_1(G)</math> (the [[omega subgroups of a group of prime power order|first omega subgroup]]) and is thus characteristic.


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===Example of the dihedral group===
===Example of the dihedral group===


{{further|[[Particular example::dihedral group:D8]]}}
{{further|[[Particular example::dihedral group:D8]], [[particular example::center of dihedral group:D8]], [[particular example::Klein four-subgroups of dihedral group:D8]]}}


Consider the [[dihedral group:D8|dihedral group of order eight]], with an element <math>a</math> of order <math>4</math>, that plays the role of the rotation, and <math>x</math>, that plays the role of the reflection. Then, consider:
Consider the [[dihedral group:D8|dihedral group of order eight]], with an element <math>a</math> of order <math>4</math>, that plays the role of the rotation, and <math>x</math>, that plays the role of the reflection. Then, consider:

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Statement

It is possible to have a group G with a characteristic subgroup H, and a subgroup KG containing H, such that H is not characteristic as a subgroup of K.

Partial truth

Corresponding statement for normality

Further information: Normality satisfies intermediate subgroup condition

If HKG are such that H is normal in G, then H is normal in K. In particular, since every characteristic subgroup is normal, it follows that if H is characteristic in G, H is normal in K.

Intermediately characteristic subgroup

Further information: Intermediately characteristic subgroup

A subgroup of a group that is characteristic in every intermediate subgroup is termed an intermediately characteristic subgroup. Under certain conditions, we can guarantee a subgroup to be intermediately characteristic. For instance, any normal Sylow subgroup, any more generally, any normal Hall subgroup, is intermediately characteristic. There are certain subgroup-defining functions that yield intermediately characteristic subgroups, for instance, the perfect core of any group is intermediately characteristic. These are, however, extremely rare.

Potentially characteristic subgroup

Further information: NPC theorem

A subgroup H of a group K is termed potentially characteristic if there exists a group G containing K such that H is characteristic in G. Clearly, every potentially characteristic subgroup is normal; on the other hand, since characteristicity does not satisfy the intermediate subgroup condition, not every potentially characteristic subgroup is characteristic.

The NPC theorem states that every normal subgroup is potentially characteristic, and the finite NPC theorem proves this in the context of finite groups.

Subgroup in which every subgroup characteristic in the whole group is characteristic

Further information: Subgroup in which every subgroup characteristic in the whole group is characteristic

A subgroup K of a group G is termed a subgroup in which every subgroup characteristic in the whole group is characteristic if, whenever H is a subgroup of K such that H is characteristic in G, then H is characteristic in K.

Any direct factor, and more generally, any AEP-subgroup, satisfies this property. Note that characteristic subgroups themselves need not satisfy this property.

Related facts

Dual fact

For more on the background, see subgroup-quotient duality for groups.

The dual to this fact is that characteristicity does not satisfy image condition. The duality works as follows:

Notion Dual
characteristic subgroup quotient group by a characteristic subgroup (reframed in terms of the characteristic subgroup itself)
intermediate subgroup condition image condition

Further, if we restrict attention to examples in finite abelian groups, then an example for either can be dualized to an example for other other using the idea that subgroup lattice and quotient lattice of finite abelian group are isomorphic.

Failure to be intermediately characteristic

Proof

Note that for any counterexample, H must be a nontrivial subgroup, K must properly contain H, and G must properly contain K. Thus, the order of G must be at least eight. We give here two counterexamples of size eight: one Abelian, and one non-Abelian.

Example of an Abelian group of order eight

In the example we construct here, the subgroup K that we construct is also characteristic in G.

Consider:

  • G=Z/2Z×Z/4Z.
  • H to be the set of squares in G, i.e., H={(0,0),(0,2)} -- H=1(G) (the first agemo subgroup) and is thus characteristic.
  • K to be the set of elements of order dividing two in G, i.e., K={(0,0),(1,0),(0,2),(1,2)} -- K=Ω1(G) (the first omega subgroup) and is thus characteristic.

Now, K is an internal direct product of H and the subgroup L={(0,0),(1,0)}, so it is isomorphic to the Klein four-group, and it admits an isomorphism that exchanges the two direct factors H and L. Hence, H is not characteristic in K.

The analogous example works for any prime p. Specifically:

G=Z/pZ×Z/p2Z.

  • H is the set of all pth powers in G, i.e., H={(0,kp)k{0,1,2,,p1}}. Equivalently, H=Agemo1(G) and is thus characteristic.
  • K is the set of all elements of order dividing p in G, i.e., K={(a,kp)aZ/pZ,k{0,1,2,,p1}}. Equivalently, K=Ω1(G) and is thus characteristic.

Now, K is an internal direct product of H and the subgroup L={(a,0)aZ/pZ}, and there is an exchange automorphism of K interchanging H and L. Thus, H is not characteristic in K.

Example of the dihedral group

Further information: dihedral group:D8, center of dihedral group:D8, Klein four-subgroups of dihedral group:D8

Consider the dihedral group of order eight, with an element a of order 4, that plays the role of the rotation, and x, that plays the role of the reflection. Then, consider:

  • G is the dihedral group
  • H={e,a2} is the center of G -- hence it is characteristic in G
  • K={e,a2,x,a2x} is a subgroup of G isomorphic to the Klein four-group.

Now, K is the internal direct product of H and the subgroup L={e,x}, so it is isomorphic to the Klein four-group, and it admits an automorphism that exchanges the two direct factors H and L. Hence, H is not characteristic in K.

GAP implementation

For the Abelian group example

Here is an implementation of the Abelian group case for the group of order eight:

gap> G := DirectProduct(CyclicGroup(2),CyclicGroup(4));
<pc group of size 8 with 3 generators>
gap> H := Agemo(G,2,1);
Group([ f3 ])
gap> K := Omega(G,2,1);
Group([ f1, f3 ])
gap> IsCharacteristicSubgroup(G,H);
true
gap> IsCharacteristicSubgroup(G,K);
true
gap> IsCharacteristicSubgroup(K,H);
false

For the more general version, replace 2 by a prime p and 4 by p2 in the code above.

The direct product Z/pZ×Z/p2Z can also be obtained as the second group of order p3; in other words, it can also be defined as:

G := SmallGroup(p^3,2);