# Hereditarily characteristic not implies cyclic in finite

This article gives the statement and possibly, proof, of a non-implication relation between two subgroup properties, when the big group is a finite group. That is, it states that in a finite group, every subgroup satisfying the first subgroup property (i.e., hereditarily characteristic subgroup) need not satisfy the second subgroup property (i.e., cyclic characteristic subgroup)
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## Statement

It is possible to have a finite group $G$, and a subgroup $K$ of $H$ such that:

1. $K$ is a Hereditarily characteristic subgroup (?) of $G$: For every subgroup $H$ of $K$, $H$ is a characteristic subgroup of $G$.
2. $K$ is not a cyclic group.

## Proof

Consider the semidirect product of cyclic group:Z4 and cyclic group:Z4 where the generator of the acting group acts via the inverse map on the other group. In other words, it has the presentation: $G := \langle x,y \mid x^4 = y^4 = e, yxy^{-1} = x^3 \rangle$.

Let $K$ be the subgroup $\langle x^2, y^2 \rangle$. Then, $K$ is a Klein four-group but every subgroup of $K$ is characteristic in $G$. We explain here why each of the subgroups of order two is characteristic:

• The subgroup $\langle x^2 \rangle$ is the derived subgroup.
• The subgroup $\langle y^2 \rangle$ is the subgroup generated by the unique element that is a square but not a commutator.
• The subgroup $\langle x^2y^2 \rangle$ is the subgroup generated by the unique element that is a product of squares but not a square. $K$ itself is $\mho^1(G)$ and is characteristic in $G$, and the trivial subgroup is characteristic in $G$. Thus, all subgroups of $K$ are characteristic in $G$.