Transitive normality is not quotient-transitive

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This article gives the statement, and possibly proof, of a subgroup property (i.e., transitively normal subgroup) not satisfying a subgroup metaproperty (i.e., quotient-transitive subgroup property).
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Statement

Property-theoretic statement

The property of being a transitively normal subgroup is not a quotient-transitive subgroup property.

Statement with symbols

It is possible to have the following situation: , is a transitively normal subgroup of a group , and is a transitively normal subgroup of , and is not a transitively normal subgroup of .

Definitions used

Transitively normal subgroup

Further information: Transitively normal subgroup

We say that is a transitively normal subgroup of if whenever is a normal subgroup of , is also a normal subgroup of .

Related facts

Failure of quotient-transitivity for related properties

The same example used here applies to all these related properties:

Proof

Example of the dihedral group

Further information: dihedral group:D8

Let be the dihedral group, given by:

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Define subgroups:

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is a subgroup of order two, hence it is transitively normal in . is a subgroup of order two in , hence it is transitively normal in .

However, is not transitively normal in , because the subgroup of is normal in but not in .