# Finitely presented not implies Noetherian

This article gives the statement and possibly, proof, of a non-implication relation between two group properties. That is, it states that every group satisfying the first group property (i.e., finitely presented group) neednotsatisfy the second group property (i.e., Noetherian group)

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## Contents

## Statement

A finitely presented group (i.e., a group that admits a finite presentation) need not be a Noetherian group (also called *slender group*: a group in which every subgroup is finitely generated).

## Related facts

### Converse

### Similar facts

### Opposite facts

- Finitely generated abelian is subgroup-closed, and hence, any finitely generated abelian group is Noetherian.
- Finitely generated nilpotent is subgroup-closed, and hence, any finitely generated nilpotent group is Noetherian.
- Equivalence of definitions of polycyclic group: A group is polycyclic if and only if it is Noetherian and solvable. Polycyclic groups are also finitely presented.

## Proof

### Example of the free group of rank two

`Further information: Free group:F2`

The free group of rank is finitely presented (it has a presentation with two generators and no relations) but it is not Noetherian. For instance, in the free group with freely generating set , the normal closure of is a free group on infinitely many generators: . Let's see why this is true.

Consider a free group on countably many generators and now consider an element that acts on these generators by the rule . Consider the semidirect product of the free group on the s with a cyclic group generated by . Clearly, this group is generated by and hence is a quotient of with . We see thus that and thus the normal closure of maps surjectively to the free group on the s. Since the mapping is bijective on a generating set, we see that in fact the normal closure of is free on a countable generating set.

### Example of the Baumslag-Solitar group

`Further information: Baumslag-Solitar group:BS(1,2)`

This group, given by the presentation:

is finitely presented, but the normal closure of in it is not finitely generated, since it is isomorphic to the additive group of 2-adic rationals.

Note that gives a solvable group example of the non-implication. See also finitely presented and solvable not implies polycyclic.