# Finitely generated and solvable not implies polycyclic

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This article gives the statement and possibly, proof, of a non-implication relation between two group properties. That is, it states that every group satisfying the first group property (i.e., finitely generated solvable group) need not satisfy the second group property (i.e., polycyclic group)
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This article gives the statement and possibly, proof, of a non-implication relation between two group properties. That is, it states that every group satisfying the first group property (i.e., finitely generated solvable group) need not satisfy the second group property (i.e., Noetherian group)
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## Statement

It is possible to have a finitely generated solvable group that is not a polycyclic group, and hence, not a Noetherian group, i.e., it has a subgroup that is not finitely generated.

## Proof

### A general construction using a restricted wreath product

Let $A$ be a nontrivial finitely generated solvable group. Let $G$ be the restricted external wreath product of $A$ and the group of integers $\mathbb{Z}$ acting regularly. In other words, $G$ is the external semidirect product of $H$ and $\mathbb{Z}$, where $H$ is the restricted external direct product of countably many copies of $A$ and $\mathbb{Z}$ acts on the coordinates by a shift of one.