Contrasaturated sub-IAPS

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This article defines a group sub-IAPS property: a property that can be evaluated to true/false given an IAPS of groups and a sub-IAPS.

Definition

Let (G,Φ) be an IAPS of groups and H a sub-IAPS of G. We say that H is contrasaturated inside G if for any natural number n and any g∈Gn, the following are true:

  • There exists a natural number n1 and a g1∈Gn1 such that Φn,n1(g,g1)∈Hn+n1
  • There exists a natural number n2 and a g2∈Gn2 such that Φn2,n(g2,g)∈Hn2+n

Another way of saying this is that the given sub-IAPS is not contained in any proper saturated sub-IAPS.

Examples

Contrasaturation via cancellation

  • In the IAPS of symmetric groups, the sub-IAPS of alternating groups is contrasaturated: any element of the symmetric group Sn can be mapped to an element inside An+2 (using the transposition for padding if it is outside An). In other words, we can pick n1=n2=2.
  • In the GL IAPS, the sub-IAPS of special linear groups is contrasaturated: any element of GL(n,R) lives inside SL(n+1,R) (using the inverse of the determinant for padding). In other words, we can pick n1=n2=1.

Contrasaturation via expansion or absorption

  • GL(n,Fp2n) inside GL(n,Fp2n2) for prime p. This is contrasaturated because the field size of the sub-IAPS eventually grows to match the field size of the whole IAPS, and hence "absorbs" all elements of the whole IAPS. Importantly, any example of this flavor is not a padding-saturated sub-IAPS. The rapid growth in this case also prevents it from being a finitely displaced sub-IAPS.

Relation with other properties

Stronger properties

Property Meaning Proof of implication Proof of strictness (reverse implication failure) Intermediate notions
contrasaturated normal sub-IAPS GL(n,Fp2n) inside GL(n,Fp2n2) for prime p |FULL LIST, MORE INFO
eventually constant-abelian-quotient sub-IAPS normal sub-IAPS whose quotient APS is eventually isomorphic to the constant APS for an abelian group eventually constant-abelian-quotient implies contrasaturated (via contrasaturated normal) Contrasaturated normal sub-IAPS|FULL LIST, MORE INFO
constant-abelian-quotient sub-IAPS normal sub-IAPS whose quotient APS is eventually isomorphic to the constant APS for an abelian group (via eventually constant-abelian-quotient) (via eventually constant-abelian-quotient) Contrasaturated normal sub-IAPS, Eventually constant-abelian-quotient sub-IAPS|FULL LIST, MORE INFO

Incomparable properties

Property Meaning Proof of non-implication Proof of non-implication (reverse) Intermediate notions
finitely displaced sub-IAPS injective interleaving but it need not be via a padding map GL(n,Fp2n) inside GL(n,Fp2n2) for prime p (the intuition is that the IAPS grows so fast that there is no uniform displacement n for which the sub-IAPS order at m+n is at least the IAPS order at m for all m, ruling out finite displacement by cardinality considerations alone. general linear IAPS inside general affine IAPS (finitely displaced but not contrasaturated); see also power sub-APS of power APS may be finitely displaced, which immediately generates powerful counterexamples