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==Statement==
==Statement==


It is possible to have a [[potentially characteristic subgroup]] that is not a [[semi-strongly potentially characteristic subgroup]].
It is possible to have a [[potentially characteristic subgroup]] that is not a [[normal-potentially characteristic subgroup]].


==Related facts==
==Related facts==
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===Weaker facts===
===Weaker facts===


* [[Normal not implies semi-strongly potentially characteristic]]
* [[Normal not implies normal-potentially characteristic]]
* [[Normal not implies strongly potentially characteristic]]
* [[Normal not implies characteristic-potentially characteristic]]
* [[Potentially characteristic not implies strongly potentially characteristic]]
* [[Potentially characteristic not implies characteristic-potentially characteristic]]
==Facts used==
==Facts used==



Revision as of 18:26, 30 May 2009

This article gives the statement and possibly, proof, of a non-implication relation between two subgroup properties. That is, it states that every subgroup satisfying the first subgroup property (i.e., potentially characteristic subgroup) need not satisfy the second subgroup property (i.e., semi-strongly potentially characteristic subgroup)
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Statement

It is possible to have a potentially characteristic subgroup that is not a normal-potentially characteristic subgroup.

Related facts

Weaker facts

Facts used

  1. Normal-extensible not implies normal: Actually, we need a slightly stronger version of this statement. Namely, we need that there is a normal-extensible automorphism of a finite group that is not a normal automorphism. The example given in the proof is a finite group, so the proof actually shows the stronger version.
  2. Finite normal implies potentially characteristic

Proof

By fact (1) (or rather, the stronger version) there exists a finite group K, a normal-extensible automorphism σ of K, and a normal subgroup H of K such that σ(H)H.

  • H is potentially characteristic in K: This follows directly from fact (2).
  • H is not semi-strongly potentially characteristic in K: Suppose there exists a group G containing K as a normal subgroup. Then, since σ is normal-extensible, σ extends to an automorphism σ of G. But σ(H)=σ(H)H, so H is not characteristic in G. Thus, there is no group containing K as a normal subgroup and H as a characteristic subgroup.