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===Proof of the claim===
===Proof of the claim===


<math>A</math> is a [[direct factor]] of <math>G</math> so it is clearly a [[normal subgroup]] and hence a permutable subgroup.
<math>A</math> is permutable: <math>A</math> is a [[direct factor]] of <math>G</math> so it is clearly a [[normal subgroup]] and hence a permutable subgroup.


Since permutability satisfies the inverse image condition, it suffices to show that <math>B</math> is permutable as a subgroup of <math>A</math>. This can easily be checked by verifying that <math>B</math> commutes with all the cyclic subgroups of <math>A</math>.
<math>B \times C = \{ b,c \}</math> is permutable: Since permutability satisfies the inverse image condition, we see that if <math>B</math> is permutable in <math>A</math>, then <math>B \times C = \{ b, c\}</math> is permutable in <math>G</math>. Thus, it suffices to show that <math>B</math> is permutable as a subgroup of <math>A</math>. This can easily be checked by verifying that <math>B</math> commutes with all the cyclic subgroups of <math>A</math>.


To prove that <math>B</math> is not permutable, consider the cyclic subgroup <math>D</math> generated by <math>(a,c)</math>. The claim is that <math>BD \ne DB</math>. To prove this notice that <math>(a,c)(b,1) = (ab,c) = (ba^{p+1},c)</math>. This is clearly not in <math>BD</math>.
<math>B</math> is not permutable: Consider the cyclic subgroup <math>D</math> generated by <math>(a,c)</math>. The claim is that <math>BD \ne DB</math>. To prove this notice that <math>(a,c)(b,1) = (ab,c) = (ba^{p+1},c)</math>. This is clearly not in <math>BD</math>.


==Further fact shown by the example==
==Further fact shown by the example==

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Statement

Verbal statement

The intersection of two permutable subgroups of a group need not be permutable.

Symbolic statement

It is possible to find a group G and subgroups H and K of G such that H and K are both permutable subgroups (viz quasinormal subgroups) but H∩K is not.

Proof

Construction of the counterexample

Let A be a group generated by two elements a,b subject to the relations ap2=1,bp=1 and ab=bap+1. Alternatively A is the semidirect product of the additive group modulo p2 by the multiplicative group of order p in the multiplicative group of automorphisms.

Note that A is a non-Abelian group of order p3.

Let C be a cyclic group of order p2, generated by an element c.

Set G=A×C.

We claim that: A and {b,c} are both permutable subgroups of G, but their intersection (which is just the cyclic subgroup B generated by b) is not.

Proof of the claim

A is permutable: A is a direct factor of G so it is clearly a normal subgroup and hence a permutable subgroup.

B×C={b,c} is permutable: Since permutability satisfies the inverse image condition, we see that if B is permutable in A, then B×C={b,c} is permutable in G. Thus, it suffices to show that B is permutable as a subgroup of A. This can easily be checked by verifying that B commutes with all the cyclic subgroups of A.

B is not permutable: Consider the cyclic subgroup D generated by (a,c). The claim is that BD≠DB. To prove this notice that (a,c)(b,1)=(ab,c)=(bap+1,c). This is clearly not in BD.

Further fact shown by the example

This example shows some further facts:

  • The intersection of a permutable subgroup with a direct factor need not be a permutable subgroup. In this example, for instance, A is a direct factor, but its intersection with C is still not a permutable subgroup.
  • A permutable subgroup of a direct factor need not be a permutable subgroup. In this case B=A∩C is a permutable subgroup inside A, which itself is a direct factor.
  • Permutability is not a direct product-closed subgroup property