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==Proof==
==Proof==
===Example involving a complete group===


Let <math>A</math> be a nontrivial [[complete group]]. Define <math>G := A \times A</math> and <math>H := A \times \{ e \}</math>. Clearly, <math>H</math> is a normal subgroup of <math>G</math>.
Let <math>A</math> be a nontrivial [[complete group]]. Define <math>G := A \times A</math> and <math>H := A \times \{ e \}</math>. Clearly, <math>H</math> is a normal subgroup of <math>G</math>.
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Then, consider the endomorphism <math>\alpha</math> of <math>K</math> that sends <math>C</math> to the trivial subgroup and <math>H</math> isomorphically to the subgroup <math>B</math> does ''not'' send <math>H</math> to within itself.
Then, consider the endomorphism <math>\alpha</math> of <math>K</math> that sends <math>C</math> to the trivial subgroup and <math>H</math> isomorphically to the subgroup <math>B</math> does ''not'' send <math>H</math> to within itself.
===More general example===
{{further|[[Fully normalized and potentially fully invariant implies centralizer-annihilating endomorphism-invariant]]}}
More generally, suppose <math>H</math> is a [[fully normalized subgroup]] of <math>G</math> that is [[normal subgroup|normal]] in <math>G</math>, but such that there is a homomorphism <math>\theta: G/C_G(H) \to G</math> such that <math>\theta(H)</math> is not contained in <math>H</math> (in other words, <math>H</math> is not a [[centralizer-annihilating endomorphism-invariant subgroup]]).
Then, <math>H</math> is ''not'' a [[potentially fully invariant subgroup]] of <math>G</math>.

Revision as of 04:38, 12 November 2009

This article gives the statement and possibly, proof, of a non-implication relation between two subgroup properties. That is, it states that every subgroup satisfying the first subgroup property (i.e., normal subgroup) need not satisfy the second subgroup property (i.e., potentially fully invariant subgroup)
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Statement

It is possible to have a normal subgroup H of a group G that is not a potentially fully invariant subgroup of G -- in other words, there is no group K containing G such that H is a fully invariant subgroup of K.

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Proof

Example involving a complete group

Let A be a nontrivial complete group. Define G:=A×A and H:=A×{e}. Clearly, H is a normal subgroup of G.

Suppose K is a group containing G, such that H is fully invariant in K. In particular, H is normal in K. Since H is complete, it is a direct factor, so there exists a group C that is a complement to H, so K=H×C as an internal direct product. Further, since G/HHA is a subgroup of K/H, C has a subgroup, say B, isomorphic to AH.

Then, consider the endomorphism α of K that sends C to the trivial subgroup and H isomorphically to the subgroup B does not send H to within itself.

More general example

Further information: Fully normalized and potentially fully invariant implies centralizer-annihilating endomorphism-invariant

More generally, suppose H is a fully normalized subgroup of G that is normal in G, but such that there is a homomorphism θ:G/CG(H)G such that θ(H) is not contained in H (in other words, H is not a centralizer-annihilating endomorphism-invariant subgroup). Then, H is not a potentially fully invariant subgroup of G.