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===Example involving a complete group=== | |||
Let <math>A</math> be a nontrivial [[complete group]]. Define <math>G := A \times A</math> and <math>H := A \times \{ e \}</math>. Clearly, <math>H</math> is a normal subgroup of <math>G</math>. | Let <math>A</math> be a nontrivial [[complete group]]. Define <math>G := A \times A</math> and <math>H := A \times \{ e \}</math>. Clearly, <math>H</math> is a normal subgroup of <math>G</math>. | ||
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Then, consider the endomorphism <math>\alpha</math> of <math>K</math> that sends <math>C</math> to the trivial subgroup and <math>H</math> isomorphically to the subgroup <math>B</math> does ''not'' send <math>H</math> to within itself. | Then, consider the endomorphism <math>\alpha</math> of <math>K</math> that sends <math>C</math> to the trivial subgroup and <math>H</math> isomorphically to the subgroup <math>B</math> does ''not'' send <math>H</math> to within itself. | ||
===More general example=== | |||
{{further|[[Fully normalized and potentially fully invariant implies centralizer-annihilating endomorphism-invariant]]}} | |||
More generally, suppose <math>H</math> is a [[fully normalized subgroup]] of <math>G</math> that is [[normal subgroup|normal]] in <math>G</math>, but such that there is a homomorphism <math>\theta: G/C_G(H) \to G</math> such that <math>\theta(H)</math> is not contained in <math>H</math> (in other words, <math>H</math> is not a [[centralizer-annihilating endomorphism-invariant subgroup]]). | |||
Then, <math>H</math> is ''not'' a [[potentially fully invariant subgroup]] of <math>G</math>. | |||
Revision as of 04:38, 12 November 2009
This article gives the statement and possibly, proof, of a non-implication relation between two subgroup properties. That is, it states that every subgroup satisfying the first subgroup property (i.e., normal subgroup) need not satisfy the second subgroup property (i.e., potentially fully invariant subgroup)
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Statement
It is possible to have a normal subgroup of a group that is not a potentially fully invariant subgroup of -- in other words, there is no group containing such that is a fully invariant subgroup of .
Related facts
- Normal not implies potentially verbal
- NPC theorem: Normal equals potentially characteristic.
- Normal equals potentially normal-subhomomorph-containing
Proof
Example involving a complete group
Let be a nontrivial complete group. Define and . Clearly, is a normal subgroup of .
Suppose is a group containing , such that is fully invariant in . In particular, is normal in . Since is complete, it is a direct factor, so there exists a group that is a complement to , so as an internal direct product. Further, since is a subgroup of , has a subgroup, say , isomorphic to .
Then, consider the endomorphism of that sends to the trivial subgroup and isomorphically to the subgroup does not send to within itself.
More general example
Further information: Fully normalized and potentially fully invariant implies centralizer-annihilating endomorphism-invariant
More generally, suppose is a fully normalized subgroup of that is normal in , but such that there is a homomorphism such that is not contained in (in other words, is not a centralizer-annihilating endomorphism-invariant subgroup). Then, is not a potentially fully invariant subgroup of .