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Setup: Let <math>p</math> be an odd prime.
Setup: Let <math>p</math> be an odd prime.


* <math>A</math> is a group generated by two elements <math>a,b</math> subject to the relations <math>a^{p^2} = 1, b^p = 1</math> and <math>ab = ba^{p+1}</math>. Alternatively <math>A</math> is the semidirect product of the additive group modulo <math>p^2</math> by the multiplicative group of order <math>p</math> in the multiplicative group of automorphisms. Note that <math>A</math> is a non-Abelian group of order <math>p^3</math>.
* <math>A</math> is a [[particular example::semidirect product of cyclic group of prime-square order and cyclic group of prime order]]. More specifically it is a group generated by two elements <math>a,b</math> subject to the relations <math>a^{p^2} = 1, b^p = 1</math> and <math>ab = ba^{p+1}</math>. Alternatively <math>A</math> is the semidirect product of the additive group modulo <math>p^2</math> by the multiplicative group of order <math>p</math> in the multiplicative group of automorphisms. Note that <math>A</math> is a non-abelian group of order <math>p^3</math>.
* <math>C</math> is a cyclic group of order <math>p^2</math>, generated by an element <math>c</math>.
* <math>C</math> is a [[particular example::cyclic group of prime-square order]]: It is a cyclic group of order <math>p^2</math>, generated by an element <math>c</math>.
* <math>G = A \times C</math>.
* <math>G = A \times C</math>.
* <math>B = \{ b \}</math>.
* <math>\! B = \{ b \}</math>.
* <math>H = A \times \{ e \}</math>, and <math>K = B \times C = \{b , c\}</math>.
* <math>H = A \times \{ e \}</math>, and <math>K = B \times C = \{b , c\}</math>.
* <math>B_0 = H \cap K = B \times \{ e \}</math>.
* <math>B_0 = H \cap K = B \times \{ e \}</math>.

Latest revision as of 20:35, 11 August 2010

This article gives the statement, and possibly proof, of a subgroup property (i.e., permutable subgroup) not satisfying a subgroup metaproperty (i.e., finite-intersection-closed subgroup property).
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Statement

Verbal statement

The intersection of two permutable subgroups of a group need not be permutable.

Symbolic statement

It is possible to find a group G and subgroups H and K of G such that H and K are both permutable subgroups (viz quasinormal subgroups) but H∩K is not.

Related facts

Related facts that don't hold for permutable subgroups

Related facts that do hold for permutable subgroups

Proof

Construction of the counterexample

Setup: Let p be an odd prime.

We claim that H and K are both permutable in G, but their intersection B0=H∩K is not permutable.

  • H=A×{e} is permutable: H is a direct factor of G so it is clearly a normal subgroup and hence a permutable subgroup.
  • K=B×C={b,c} is permutable: Since permutability satisfies the inverse image condition, we see that if B is permutable in A, then B×C={b,c} is permutable in G. Thus, it suffices to show that B is permutable as a subgroup of A. This can easily be checked by verifying that B commutes with all the cyclic subgroups of A. (a proof of this is provided in an example for permutable not implies normal).
  • B0=H∩K=B×{e} is not permutable in G: Consider the cyclic subgroup D generated by (a,c). The claim is that B0D≠DB0. To prove this notice that DB0∋(a,c)(b,e)=(ab,c)=(bap+1,c). This is clearly not in B0D.

Further fact shown by the example

This example shows some further facts:

  • The intersection of a permutable subgroup with a direct factor need not be a permutable subgroup. In this example, for instance, A is a direct factor, but its intersection with C is still not a permutable subgroup.
  • A permutable subgroup of a direct factor need not be a permutable subgroup. In this case B=A∩C is a permutable subgroup inside A, which itself is a direct factor.
  • Permutability is not a direct product-closed subgroup property