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		<title>Vipul: /* Stronger properties */</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;&lt;span dir=&quot;auto&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;autocomment&quot;&gt;Stronger properties&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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				&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;Revision as of 14:25, 1 June 2020&lt;/td&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;! Property !! Meaning !! Proof of implication !! Proof of strictness (reverse implication failure) !! Intermediate notions&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;! Property !! Meaning !! Proof of implication !! Proof of strictness (reverse implication failure) !! Intermediate notions&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;−&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;| [[Weaker than::&lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;Monadic &lt;/del&gt;second-order purely definable subgroup]] || can be defined using the pure theory of the group in monadic second-order language || || ||&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;| [[Weaker than::&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;monadic &lt;/ins&gt;second-order purely definable subgroup]] || can be defined using the pure theory of the group in monadic second-order language || || ||&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<author><name>Vipul</name></author>
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		<title>Vipul: Created page with &#039;{{wikilocal}} {{subgroup property}}  ==Definition==  A subgroup &lt;math&gt;H&lt;/math&gt; of a group &lt;math&gt;G&lt;/math&gt; is termed a &#039;&#039;&#039;monadic second-order characteristic subgroup&#039;&#039;&#039; if…&#039;</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Created page with &amp;#039;{{wikilocal}} {{subgroup property}}  ==Definition==  A &lt;a href=&quot;/wiki/Subgroup&quot; title=&quot;Subgroup&quot;&gt;subgroup&lt;/a&gt; &amp;lt;math&amp;gt;H&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt; of a &lt;a href=&quot;/wiki/Group&quot; title=&quot;Group&quot;&gt;group&lt;/a&gt; &amp;lt;math&amp;gt;G&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt; is termed a &amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;monadic second-order characteristic subgroup&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; if…&amp;#039;&lt;/p&gt;
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==Definition==&lt;br /&gt;
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A [[subgroup]] &amp;lt;math&amp;gt;H&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt; of a [[group]] &amp;lt;math&amp;gt;G&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt; is termed a &amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;monadic second-order characteristic subgroup&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; if there is no other subgroup &amp;lt;math&amp;gt;K&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt; of &amp;lt;math&amp;gt;G&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt; such that the monadic second-order theories of the group-subgroup pairs &amp;lt;math&amp;gt;(G,H)&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt; and &amp;lt;math&amp;gt;(G,K)&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt; coincide. In other words, &amp;lt;math&amp;gt;H&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt; can be distinguished from any other subgroup of &amp;lt;math&amp;gt;G&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt; using monadic second-order logic in the pure theory of the group &amp;lt;math&amp;gt;G&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt;.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Relation with other properties==&lt;br /&gt;
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===Stronger properties===&lt;br /&gt;
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! Property !! Meaning !! Proof of implication !! Proof of strictness (reverse implication failure) !! Intermediate notions&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Weaker than::Elementarily characteristic subgroup]] || no other elementarily equivalent subgroup || || ||&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Weaker than::Monadic second-order purely definable subgroup]] || can be defined using the pure theory of the group in monadic second-order language || || ||&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Weaker than::Purely definable subgroup]] || can be defined purely using the first-order pure theory of the group || || ||&lt;br /&gt;
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===Weaker properties===&lt;br /&gt;
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{| class=&amp;quot;sortable&amp;quot; border=&amp;quot;1&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
! Property !! Meaning !! Proof of implication !! Proof of strictness (reverse implication failure) !! Intermediate notions&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Stronger than::Second-order characteristic subgroup]] || || || ||&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Stronger than::Characteristic subgroup]] || || || ||&lt;br /&gt;
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